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golfersmate1
  Amateur  
  ID: 10111412  
Posted: June 29, 2010 • Views: 680 • Replies: 13 • Go to Last Reply
Hi Guys,

I had a round of golf with my buddy yesterday - and I noticed he had a tool to clean and repair the grooves on his irons.

When I asked him about it he told me it was a groove sharpener and that he had been using one for several months.

Any of you guys used one or in fact own one.

What is the consensus of opinion - do they infringe the rules in anyway ?

My buddy was generating a fair amount of spin yesterday.

I would be grateful for any feedback.
 
dday39
  dday39
  Professional Champion  
# 1 on 6/29/2010 10:22:34 AM
He was sharpening the grooves during play? That's odd.
cogolfer1
  Legend  
# 2 on 6/29/2010 10:29:01 AM
I'm pretty sure there's another forum on here that involves groove sharpeners. And if I remember correctly many people said they were ruled illegal by the USGA.
72Wannabe
  Legend  
# 3 on 6/29/2010 10:33:13 AM
I don't know if sharpeners were "ruled illegal" or not but the consensus is that if you sharpen the grooves you have changed the club to the degree that the club must now meet the new groove rule i.e. the club is no longer exempt until 2024.

Probably didn't get all the technicalities correct but I beleive that is the substance of the issue.
Timothyjack
  Professional Champion  
# 4 on 6/29/2010 11:10:51 AM
72. You are correct. Found this on another golf site. May answer the original question. question.

There is no problem in cleaning your grooves, but according to equipment guru Frank Thomas and a Q&A on his website:

Frank,
After many rounds and lots of practice the grooves on your wedges are naturally going to wear down. Can they be "re-grooved" rather than buying new wedges? Thanks.
--Brian

Brian,
I have been asked this question many times and feel the need to be more specific about how to go about getting your grooves reconditioned.

First, let me say that using a hand-held groove tool is a risky way to recondition the grooves in your wedges. The reason is that as soon as you alter (recondition) the face of the club it is considered new and ruled on accordingly.

“Rule 4 1-b. Wear and Alteration, states; “A club that conforms with Rules when new is deemed to conform after wear through normal use. Any part of a club that has been purposely altered is regarded as new and must, in its altered state conform with the Rules”

This means for example, even though the face is concave or the grip has indentations for you fingers because this is how it wore down through normal use, it is OK to use it without penalty but as soon as you start reconditioning the club it must be considered new.

A hand held tool will not only do a number on the grooves but will most likely render them non-conforming because of the tight specifications the USGA has for grooves, i.e. depth, width, ratio of groove-width to pitch, radius of groove edges and even groove straightness. These specs are difficult to maintain even for an accomplished custom club maker with a milling machine.

The question is; are you better off getting a new wedge rather than trying to recondition an old one?

First, don’t try to recondition it yourself. Second, to get it done professionally may take up to six weeks depending on whether the club head is chrome plated or not. Most forged iron clubs made of mild steel, will need to be protected from rusting, which requires a layer of chrome to be deposited on the head after the grooves have been milled, rolled or stamped into the face. Some clubs are forged but made of stainless steel, which do not require chrome plating. These, as with most cast clubs can be re-grooved and do not need the additional protective layer of chrome.

To get your wedge i.e. the GAP or Lob Wedge (not your Sand Wedge which doesn’t need sharp grooves to be effective out of the sand) re-grooved you can send it to GolfWorks. To get more details regarding how and where to send it call their toll free phone number (800) 848 8358. It will cost about $20 for a club that does not need to be rechromed which will include the shipping both ways. You can add another $12 if the club needs to be chromed. GolfWorks will make sure that the clubs conform with the rules.

In many cases, the lack of being able to get the ball to do Yo-Yo tricks on the green may have little to do with the condition of the grooves, but rather the condition of our technique.

We should also recognize that under dry conditions where there is not grass intervening between the ball and the club face " off a tee or tight fairway -- a sand-blasted face will do as well as a face with brand new grooves. It is only when grass juice gets between the clubface and the ball that the grooves really start doing their thing. This only happens out of relatively light rough not the real juicy 4” stuff where it doesn’t matter what type of grooves or condition of those grooves makes any difference.

So if you feel you need to recondition the grooves in your wedges because you don’t want to give up an old friend call GolfWorks. If you would just like to make a change " wedges don’t change very much in style or shape --you can buy a new one which will cost about $110. If you do decide to buy a new wedge make sure it has the same specs, i.e. bounce, loft and lie as the good friend you are about to give up.
heartotexas
  Professional Champion  
# 5 on 6/29/2010 3:00:16 PM
Thanks Timothyjack for the research. That was my gut feeling so glad to see some documentation on it. Clean ok, sharpen, alter, not OK.
mikemossey
  Newbie  
# 6 on 6/30/2010 4:36:07 AM
Wow i am amazed at the negative reaction to a groove sharpener.
I have played golf for 44 years and i never saw anyone checking the legality of golf clubs.
I needed a new set of wedges, i have 4 because the grooves were bent and knocked about, i was shocked to find out that i would spend $430 on these, but the only thing no good was the grooves.

I looked around and found (-link-cannot-be-displayed-) last year, i purchased one of their groovers
it has a wedge shaped end that stops you digging to deep it made my old wedges good enough to not need the new ones, my wifes happy too she got a new dress from the saving of not buying new wedges.

Maybe most of these guys on here can afford new wedges every now and again.
I would much prefer keeping my old wedges up to scratch and have a happy wife taboot.

My name is Mike this is my first post, good golfing everybody.
dday39
  dday39
  Professional Champion  
# 7 on 6/30/2010 7:53:36 AM
it's not a negative reaction. it's understanding a ruling. the fact that someone was using a groove sharpener during play is just ridiculous (and apparently not within the rules of golf). sure if I had some beat up wedges that I really liked, I'd try to sharpen the grooves with a proper tool, but I'd realize that these would not be allowed in a USGA sanctioned event.
mikemossey
  Newbie  
# 8 on 6/30/2010 8:24:51 AM
I would like to inform members of the opinion of a friend who is a teaching pro from Austria
He saw the groover that i bought from groove sharpener dot net and tried it on an old wedge he had.
After working on the grooves he used a measuring tool that checks groove dimensions.
He was absolutely adamant that the grooves on his wedge remained legal although they looked sharper and cleaner.
He was interested in the tool and wanted to see if it was OK to use.
I only bring this up because it seems there is a vendetta against these groovers by some members.
Mike Mossey wishing you all good golfing
Duckhunter
  Legend  
# 9 on 6/30/2010 8:58:12 AM
I will stay with cleaning my clubs, Any Groove Sharpening will be done by a pro who knows what they are doing. After cutting meat for 12 years. If you don't know how to Sharpen a tool right your only going to shorten the life of that tool.
Robert Premeaux Jr.
  Professional Champion  
# 10 on 7/1/2010 12:01:45 AM
A groove sharpener does NOT automatically render a club illegal by USGA rules. All it does is technically render the grooves in need of being measured again.

And as I've said in the previous post, how many times do you play in a tournament where they measure your grooves? *AND* if you can hand-cut a groove deeper and wider than my Vokey spin-milled grooves, then chances are you don't need to bother anyway.

www.groovesharpener.com

I swear by it. And I'll *gladly* let anybody measure the grooves on my old Titleist DCI 990s and bet them $5 a groove that they're still legal.

holeinonevirgin
  Newbie  
# 11 on 7/29/2010 11:34:11 AM
BTW The 2024 exempt status for clubs not meeting the new groove rules does not start until Jan 1,2011. In other words you have until the end of this year to purchase or alter clubs to the old non conforming groove rules.
dewsweeper
  Professional Champion  
# 12 on 7/29/2010 1:18:06 PM
If you give a wipe on the club face each time before you return it to the bag, you will not have a problem with dirty clugged up grooves.

Even if you have dried up soil and grass in the grooves, use the sharp end of a wooden tee and run the tip through the grooves. No risk of altering the grooves.

If you have an older club which has some parts of the grooves widen through usage, it's still conforming as long as you did not sharpen the grooves.
Robert Premeaux Jr.
  Professional Champion  
# 13 on 8/11/2010 9:27:13 PM

BTW The 2024 exempt status for clubs not meeting the new groove rules does not start until Jan 1,2011. In other words you have until the end of this year to purchase or alter clubs to the old non conforming groove rules.


And if you don't think grooves matter, buy some Titlelist Vokey wedges with spin-milled grooves (not the CC ones but the ones now illegal on the PGA Tour) and watch the magic. I can see why the PGA Tour wanted to outlaw those groves. They're insane! I almost feel like I'm cheating ... and will be in 2025.
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